does that mean that it will pick those same hot numbers again for the next spins? As I said above, SOMETIMES IT DOES And if you dot note, YOU WILL SEE those hot numbers come back again and again from 1 sheet to the next AND THAT is what we did back in We noted for about spins then noticed which hot numbers the roulette has decided to fall on don't ask why just bet on them and the hot numbers come back from sheet to the next and THAT is how you win a lot of times.

Do you get it now? I hope not, I believe there are smart people here so please you stop wasting my time and be serious here for a minute. I need people who are willing to dive into this quest NOT people who will complain and treat me like I don't know what I'm talking about.

Any serious programmer here who would be interested in this research? Thank you Merlin Jan 14th, , PM 4 Shaggy Hiker View Profile View Forum Posts Super Moderator Join Date Aug Location Idaho Posts 38, Re: Untested 34 year old roulette system need help programming and testing it In a physical system, it is possible for statistics to do weird things.

There can be forces that mean that the wheel is not perfectly random. That is not the case for a purely electronic roulette wheel.

If the system is not deliberately biased, a purely electronic roulette wheel which you would get with an online wheel will pick numbers completely at random. You were talking about using this for online systems. If you can find something that works in a casino, that's good for that casino.

It doesn't necessarily translate to any other platform. My usual boring signature: Nothing Jan 14th, , PM 5 Merlinworld View Profile View Forum Posts Thread Starter Lively Member Join Date Jan Posts 66 Re: Untested 34 year old roulette system need help programming and testing it Originally Posted by Shaggy Hiker In a physical system, it is possible for statistics to do weird things.

Again, I told you that this was the test I did in I noticed this imbalanced on plastic roulettes and I spent 's thanksgiving week at Atlantic City to note all the spins of many roulettes to come howe and analyze the data only to confirm that ALL roulettes in ALL the casinos out there including online casinos except those who are rigged of course will have these exact same averages.

Don't believe me? Just note ANY spins on ANY roulette out there and you will confirm this too. Now enough with naysayers, anyone serious here who wants to confirm this by helping me program a macro for Excel on this roulette system?

Merlin Jan 14th, , PM 6 OptionBase1 View Profile View Forum Posts PowerPoster Join Date Nov Posts 3, Re: Untested 34 year old roulette system need help programming and testing it You had me at confirmed on a plastic roulette wheel.

Jan 14th, , PM 7 Merlinworld View Profile View Forum Posts Thread Starter Lively Member Join Date Jan Posts 66 Re: Untested 34 year old roulette system need help programming and testing it Originally Posted by OptionBase1 You had me at confirmed on a plastic roulette wheel.

Which part you missed in the line "confirmed with a real roulette spins from Atlantic City"? Jan 14th, , PM 8 OptionBase1 View Profile View Forum Posts PowerPoster Join Date Nov Posts 3, Re: Untested 34 year old roulette system need help programming and testing it One mathematically based suggestion I can give is that your sample size of spins is problematic.

For a wheel with 0 and 00, there are 38 possible outcomes per spin. If you want more a more accurate analysis of the outcomes, each sample size should be a multiple of If your sample size for each analysis was, say, 5 flips, then you'll always have one side or the other being considered "hot", since the outcomes can never be exactly equal with an odd number of outcomes analyzed.

Good luck with this, sounds interesting. Jan 14th, , PM 9 Shaggy Hiker View Profile View Forum Posts Super Moderator Join Date Aug Location Idaho Posts 38, Re: Untested 34 year old roulette system need help programming and testing it Why four times N?

I would suggest that the sample size has to be FAR larger than that. The first thing you have to consider is whether or not you'd get the same result with a standard 6-sided die or dice, as the plural is now used as the singular.

With a sample size as low as you are reporting, I expect you'd find some pattern in the results of all random generators. Still, an online system is different. That's just a random number generator, which means that you can simulate this yourself to any sample size you'd care to set. All you need to do is instantiate a random number generator almost every language has one or two, built in and generate successive numbers in the range of , or whatever range you want.

If your sample size is small, you'll see a pattern emerge. If your sample size is enormous, it had better not. After all, a pattern in a cryptographically secure random number generator would have a larger potential impact than being able to game a casino.

Frankly, I don't believe in your results. If the roulette wheel is not adequately constructed, then there will be a bias. That would be a massively losing proposition for casinos, which are not known for being ignorant when it comes to people gaming their systems.

If there is no bias, then what you are saying is that statistics is simply wrong. I'm not sure which position you are holding, that every known roulette wheel in the world has been biased for decades and nobody has happened to notice, or that there's no such thing as a random number.

Either way, I am pretty skeptical. Still, if you believe it, why aren't you playing at the casino? You've got a system, so use it. My usual boring signature: Nothing Jan 14th, , PM 10 Schmidt View Profile View Forum Posts PowerPoster Join Date Jun Posts 7, Re: Untested 34 year old roulette system I was sold, because of - always a good idea, to do your scientific tests in auspicious years Olaf Jan 14th, , PM 11 OptionBase1 View Profile View Forum Posts PowerPoster Join Date Nov Posts 3, Re: Untested 34 year old roulette system need help programming and testing it Originally Posted by Shaggy Hiker Why four times N?

The OP is looking for streaks. A very large sample size will flatten out all the hotness into the tepid zone. Jan 15th, , AM 12 Elroy View Profile View Forum Posts PowerPoster Join Date Jun Location Near Nashville TN Posts 9, Re: Untested 34 year old roulette system need help programming and testing it Originally Posted by OptionBase1 The OP is looking for streaks.

Don't tell him that. The OP is enjoying having his head stuck in the sand, trying to convince himself that he can find non-random roulette wheels with his hocus-pocus pseudo-science. When he mentioned his "law of third" it informed me that the guy knows nothing about science, nor statistics, nor how to perform a hypothesis test with a resulting p value, and comparing it to an appropriately set alpha value.

For testing most physical systems, they often use a five sigma standard, which means they must see a p value that is five standard deviations or more into the tail of the appropriate distribution to reject the null, which would be that the roulette wheel isn't biased.

Just throwing some random code together and reporting the descriptive statistics of frequencies, proves extremely little if anything at all. If you don't think this guy lives in a hocus-pocus fantasy world, just look at his user name.

Jan 15th, , AM 13 OptionBase1 View Profile View Forum Posts PowerPoster Join Date Nov Posts 3, Re: Untested 34 year old roulette system need help programming and testing it Originally Posted by Elroy p. Did you miss repeated 30K wins on a plastic wheel?

Confirmed in Atlantic City? Did you miss all the capitalized words in the OP's posts? The only issue at this point is selecting the cast of what will eventually become the movie version of this saga. Jan 15th, , AM 14 Elroy View Profile View Forum Posts PowerPoster Join Date Jun Location Near Nashville TN Posts 9, Re: Untested 34 year old roulette system need help programming and testing it Originally Posted by OptionBase1 The only issue at this point is selecting the cast of what will eventually become the movie version of this saga.

Nahh, it's not that interesting. This guy is no Alan Turing, nor the leader of the MIT group that figured out how to beat blackjack.

In fact, precisely because of that MIT group, pretty much all casinos have changed the blackjack rules so that their system no longer works. And the only reason I'm here is because I enjoy VB6 and I'm bored.

Jan 15th, , PM 15 Merlinworld View Profile View Forum Posts Thread Starter Lively Member Join Date Jan Posts 66 Re: Untested 34 year old roulette system need help programming and testing it Nice to know there are a lot of curious people here.

It would have been nice. One last call here before I get out of your forum. Below is the design of the sim I am trying to build in Excel. With your help I will add the right macros. Just PM me if you are interested.

Here we have month 1 and day 1 selected for the sim to run. When the tests are done, we will know in how many noting sheets the roulette takes on average to become "Stable" because, again I told you that we have seen this over and over at home with a roulette that has the exact same odds of real casino roulettes.

This will be done by adding macros to this sim in Excel. Finally, we will transfer the macro code into a.

EXE file that will look like this. If anybody is interested in this quest and wants this xls file, just send me a PM, I will give you my email and then send it to you. Thank you, Merlin Last edited by Merlinworld; Jan 15th, at PM.

Jan 15th, , PM 16 OptionBase1 View Profile View Forum Posts PowerPoster Join Date Nov Posts 3, Re: Untested 34 year old roulette system need help programming and testing it What are you paying for someone to do this for you?

Jan 15th, , PM 17 Merlinworld View Profile View Forum Posts Thread Starter Lively Member Join Date Jan Posts 66 Re: Untested 34 year old roulette system need help programming and testing it Originally Posted by OptionBase1 What are you paying for someone to do this for you?

You'll see mark my words, you will beg me to send it to ya. Jan 15th, , PM 18 OptionBase1 View Profile View Forum Posts PowerPoster Join Date Nov Posts 3, Re: Untested 34 year old roulette system Are you saying you are expecting people to do this work for you for free, when it is all but guaranteed to make you infinite money from all casino's?

Seems like a bit of a one-sided deal if you ask me. Jan 15th, , PM 19 Merlinworld View Profile View Forum Posts Thread Starter Lively Member Join Date Jan Posts 66 Re: Untested 34 year old roulette system need help programming and testing it Originally Posted by OptionBase1 Are you saying you are expecting people to do this work for you for free, when it is all but guaranteed to make you infinite money from all casino's?

Are you saying that people here are slaves and don't have a brain? That sounds harsh to me. I think People here are smart and are as curious as I am and make up their damn mind.

Don't you want to know if what I've said and seen back then is true? Maybe you don't believe in it but I saw it, night after night. If this would be true then that would be a kickass software to design don't you think?

I mean, I would be proud of it. Merlin Jan 15th, , PM 20 OptionBase1 View Profile View Forum Posts PowerPoster Join Date Nov Posts 3, Re: Untested 34 year old roulette system need help programming and testing it Originally Posted by Merlinworld Are you saying that people here are slaves and don't have a brain?

Merlin Why do you need someone else to write this software for you? Jan 15th, , PM 21 Merlinworld View Profile View Forum Posts Thread Starter Lively Member Join Date Jan Posts 66 Re: Untested 34 year old roulette system need help programming and testing it Do you REALLY THINK that I would waste my time here posting all these screenshots if I knew how to code VB?

Take a WILD GUESS. Any other smart questions from you? Jan 15th, , PM 22 OptionBase1 View Profile View Forum Posts PowerPoster Join Date Nov Posts 3, Re: Untested 34 year old roulette system need help programming and testing it Originally Posted by Merlinworld Do you REALLY THINK that I would waste my time here posting all these screenshots if I knew how to code VB?

So, you need someone to write this software for you because you can't do it yourself. So, explain to me again why you aren't willing to pay the person who writes this for you? Posts 1, Re: Untested 34 year old roulette system need help programming and testing it Originally Posted by OptionBase1 So, explain to me again why you aren't willing to pay the person who writes this for you?

For the same reason he didn't play the roulette for real and put his money where his mouth is, it doesn't work! Capture Jan 15th, , PM 24 Merlinworld View Profile View Forum Posts Thread Starter Lively Member Join Date Jan Posts 66 Re: Untested 34 year old roulette system need help programming and testing it Because not only I can get it for free but also because the programmer who will help me will also become rich from it rather than me paying for it and keeping it to myself.

Here's something I need to add above for those still interested. Now because there are chips of the color you want, and were buying of them, we had to win more to acquire all of them.

This is where many people leave because they have acquired all their chips. Follow me? For a nice total of chips to win. Impossible you think? think again. One step of our system is to add a chip on a hot number that wins and some won with 4, 5, even 6 chips on them that pays chips and when the roulette became stable and we were winning out of 10 spins, making this chips climb was done over and over and over again.

We even did it in Atlantic City. Anyway, enough talking with Mr. Negative here, is there anyone curious about this yes or no? Thank you, Merlin Jan 15th, , PM 25 OptionBase1 View Profile View Forum Posts PowerPoster Join Date Nov Posts 3, Re: Untested 34 year old roulette system need help programming and testing it Originally Posted by Merlinworld Because not only I can get it for free but also because the programmer who will help me will also become rich from it rather than me paying for it and keeping it to myself.

Maybe toss a couple of bricks of Benji's out there and you'll get some bites? need help programming and testing it The system obviously doesn't work, but the program itself could fetch a pretty penny if marketed to a gullible audience.

Capture Jan 15th, , PM 27 OptionBase1 View Profile View Forum Posts PowerPoster Join Date Nov Posts 3, Re: Untested 34 year old roulette system Also, obviously the person who writes the program would also have the program, since they are the one writing it. So, you can't just "keep it to yourself".

In fact, what if the person who writes it just keeps it for themselves and never gives it to you? Oh man, I bet you'd be steamed! Jan 15th, , PM 28 Merlinworld View Profile View Forum Posts Thread Starter Lively Member Join Date Jan Posts 66 Re: Untested 34 year old roulette system need help programming and testing it Originally Posted by VanGoghGaming The system obviously doesn't work, but the program itself could fetch a pretty penny if marketed to a gullible audience.

Originally Posted by OptionBase1 In fact, what if the person who writes it just keeps it for themselves and never gives it to you? What a lovely forum you got there.

This is getting better and better. Merlin Jan 15th, , PM 29 OptionBase1 View Profile View Forum Posts PowerPoster Join Date Nov Posts 3, Re: Untested 34 year old roulette system need help programming and testing it Originally Posted by Merlinworld Here's something I need to add above for those still interested.

Thank you, Merlin What happens if the casino has more than chips of each denomination? Does your expected win amount per evening change at all?

Jan 15th, , PM 30 Merlinworld View Profile View Forum Posts Thread Starter Lively Member Join Date Jan Posts 66 Re: Untested 34 year old roulette system need help programming and testing it First of all you can always do the same whether they have , or 1, chips.

All I care is this chips climb. I just realized that today. It's not a lot. No wonder we made our 30K every night. Jan 15th, , PM 31 OptionBase1 View Profile View Forum Posts PowerPoster Join Date Nov Posts 3, Re: Untested 34 year old roulette system need help programming and testing it Originally Posted by Merlinworld Wow!

Merlin This is your 33 year old system. I would think by now you should be able to answer any and all questions about your plan. Jan 16th, , AM 32 ahall View Profile View Forum Posts New Member Join Date Oct Posts 1 Re: Untested 34 year old roulette system need help programming and testing it Hi Merlinworld, It might be worth a try for you to load your vbp project using the new twinBasic development environment.

It's only in beta release at the moment but it really is a very capable development system, and I suspect you would be able to use the free version for what you are trying to achieve. TwinBasic tB runs on current Windows 10 and Windows 11 systems so no need to fight through installing VB6 on a current platform.

Good luck! need help programming and testing it Roulette is still not exciting enough. What I admire most is the cowboy style of the West: two people have something to conflict, each a revolver, loaded with 2 bullets, each fired a shot, who fell down first, and the debt was written off.

Some people specialize in hedging bitcoin, and the two platforms have different prices, buying from this platform and selling from another platform. Using software to automate purchases, I have made similar tools before. Like wholesale fruit, which is sold further afield, commercial operations are more promising than gambling.

Jan 16th, , AM 34 Shaggy Hiker View Profile View Forum Posts Super Moderator Join Date Aug Location Idaho Posts 38, Re: Untested 34 year old roulette system need help programming and testing it People are responding in a pretty skeptical way, and there's a reason for that.

Roulette has been around for centuries. People have been figuring out schemes to beat it for centuries. Just look at D'Alembert's or the Martingale. D'Alembert was a mathematician from the mids, to give you an idea as to how long people have been pursuing strategies to win at roulette.

And now you're saying you've discovered something that others have missed for centuries. It IS possible, but it is NOT likely. Far more likely is that you've stumbled onto a false pattern arising from a form of what is called "data dredging".

If so, it will simply evaporate. For example, a couple decades back, I wrote a multivariate, polynomial regression engine. You took a pattern that you wanted to be able to predict, then came up with the variables that you thought were driving that pattern or at least had a significant hand in it , and the engine would find the relationship in the form of an equation where you could plug in the values for the variables and it would spit out the projected result.

In my case, I was looking at salmon migration, but the obvious use for something like that is obvious: The greatest casino in all of history, the stock market. You may remember stories about the "quants" from the early s up until There were lots of articles written about them.

A whole series of people had written programs that were similar to what I had written, and were using them to make stock picks. They were significantly outperforming any other system, at the time, and there was a lot of angst about that in the press.

Would this destroy the market? Had they found some magic sauce based on advanced computer programs? And then the market crashed in The quants got clobbered.

The market rebounded strongly a year later and the quants still got clobbered. They are still around, but they significantly underperformed for many years, and aren't getting much press anymore.

I knew that was coming. I had studied my engine enough to know how and why it would fail. The thing was that it ALWAYS worked. It ALWAYS found an equation that would predict the desired pattern FAR better than random chance.

Even when the variables had nothing to do with the pattern, it would find an excellent equation. Even when the pattern came from a random number generator and all the variables came from different random number generators, the program would STILL find an excellent equation. That's the problem.

There are false patterns in all datasets. False correlations abound. Basically, if you can't explain WHY the pattern exists, then it is very risky to put any faith in the pattern.

What I ended up doing with my program was changing it around so that it didn't find one equation, it found equations, each independent of each other.

The similarities between the equations were very likely to have meaning, whereas any one equation was not. If some variable was always included, then it was worth a further look.

If some variable was never included, then that was also worth a further look. What wasn't safe was taking the best equation and assuming that it embodied some kind of truth, which is what the quants were doing, and that's why they got clobbered when the market changed.

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Jan 15th, , AM 12 Elroy View Profile View Forum Posts PowerPoster Join Date Jun Location Near Nashville TN Posts 9, Re: Untested 34 year old roulette system need help programming and testing it Originally Posted by OptionBase1 The OP is looking for streaks.

Don't tell him that. The OP is enjoying having his head stuck in the sand, trying to convince himself that he can find non-random roulette wheels with his hocus-pocus pseudo-science.

When he mentioned his "law of third" it informed me that the guy knows nothing about science, nor statistics, nor how to perform a hypothesis test with a resulting p value, and comparing it to an appropriately set alpha value.

For testing most physical systems, they often use a five sigma standard, which means they must see a p value that is five standard deviations or more into the tail of the appropriate distribution to reject the null, which would be that the roulette wheel isn't biased.

Just throwing some random code together and reporting the descriptive statistics of frequencies, proves extremely little if anything at all. If you don't think this guy lives in a hocus-pocus fantasy world, just look at his user name.

Jan 15th, , AM 13 OptionBase1 View Profile View Forum Posts PowerPoster Join Date Nov Posts 3, Re: Untested 34 year old roulette system need help programming and testing it Originally Posted by Elroy p.

Did you miss repeated 30K wins on a plastic wheel? Confirmed in Atlantic City? Did you miss all the capitalized words in the OP's posts? The only issue at this point is selecting the cast of what will eventually become the movie version of this saga. Jan 15th, , AM 14 Elroy View Profile View Forum Posts PowerPoster Join Date Jun Location Near Nashville TN Posts 9, Re: Untested 34 year old roulette system need help programming and testing it Originally Posted by OptionBase1 The only issue at this point is selecting the cast of what will eventually become the movie version of this saga.

Nahh, it's not that interesting. This guy is no Alan Turing, nor the leader of the MIT group that figured out how to beat blackjack. In fact, precisely because of that MIT group, pretty much all casinos have changed the blackjack rules so that their system no longer works. And the only reason I'm here is because I enjoy VB6 and I'm bored.

Jan 15th, , PM 15 Merlinworld View Profile View Forum Posts Thread Starter Lively Member Join Date Jan Posts 66 Re: Untested 34 year old roulette system need help programming and testing it Nice to know there are a lot of curious people here.

It would have been nice. One last call here before I get out of your forum. Below is the design of the sim I am trying to build in Excel. With your help I will add the right macros.

Just PM me if you are interested. Here we have month 1 and day 1 selected for the sim to run. When the tests are done, we will know in how many noting sheets the roulette takes on average to become "Stable" because, again I told you that we have seen this over and over at home with a roulette that has the exact same odds of real casino roulettes.

This will be done by adding macros to this sim in Excel. Finally, we will transfer the macro code into a. EXE file that will look like this. If anybody is interested in this quest and wants this xls file, just send me a PM, I will give you my email and then send it to you.

Thank you, Merlin Last edited by Merlinworld; Jan 15th, at PM. Jan 15th, , PM 16 OptionBase1 View Profile View Forum Posts PowerPoster Join Date Nov Posts 3, Re: Untested 34 year old roulette system need help programming and testing it What are you paying for someone to do this for you?

Jan 15th, , PM 17 Merlinworld View Profile View Forum Posts Thread Starter Lively Member Join Date Jan Posts 66 Re: Untested 34 year old roulette system need help programming and testing it Originally Posted by OptionBase1 What are you paying for someone to do this for you?

You'll see mark my words, you will beg me to send it to ya. Jan 15th, , PM 18 OptionBase1 View Profile View Forum Posts PowerPoster Join Date Nov Posts 3, Re: Untested 34 year old roulette system Are you saying you are expecting people to do this work for you for free, when it is all but guaranteed to make you infinite money from all casino's?

Seems like a bit of a one-sided deal if you ask me. Jan 15th, , PM 19 Merlinworld View Profile View Forum Posts Thread Starter Lively Member Join Date Jan Posts 66 Re: Untested 34 year old roulette system need help programming and testing it Originally Posted by OptionBase1 Are you saying you are expecting people to do this work for you for free, when it is all but guaranteed to make you infinite money from all casino's?

Are you saying that people here are slaves and don't have a brain? That sounds harsh to me. I think People here are smart and are as curious as I am and make up their damn mind.

Don't you want to know if what I've said and seen back then is true? Maybe you don't believe in it but I saw it, night after night. If this would be true then that would be a kickass software to design don't you think?

I mean, I would be proud of it. Merlin Jan 15th, , PM 20 OptionBase1 View Profile View Forum Posts PowerPoster Join Date Nov Posts 3, Re: Untested 34 year old roulette system need help programming and testing it Originally Posted by Merlinworld Are you saying that people here are slaves and don't have a brain?

Merlin Why do you need someone else to write this software for you? Jan 15th, , PM 21 Merlinworld View Profile View Forum Posts Thread Starter Lively Member Join Date Jan Posts 66 Re: Untested 34 year old roulette system need help programming and testing it Do you REALLY THINK that I would waste my time here posting all these screenshots if I knew how to code VB?

Take a WILD GUESS. Any other smart questions from you? Jan 15th, , PM 22 OptionBase1 View Profile View Forum Posts PowerPoster Join Date Nov Posts 3, Re: Untested 34 year old roulette system need help programming and testing it Originally Posted by Merlinworld Do you REALLY THINK that I would waste my time here posting all these screenshots if I knew how to code VB?

So, you need someone to write this software for you because you can't do it yourself. So, explain to me again why you aren't willing to pay the person who writes this for you?

Posts 1, Re: Untested 34 year old roulette system need help programming and testing it Originally Posted by OptionBase1 So, explain to me again why you aren't willing to pay the person who writes this for you? For the same reason he didn't play the roulette for real and put his money where his mouth is, it doesn't work!

Capture Jan 15th, , PM 24 Merlinworld View Profile View Forum Posts Thread Starter Lively Member Join Date Jan Posts 66 Re: Untested 34 year old roulette system need help programming and testing it Because not only I can get it for free but also because the programmer who will help me will also become rich from it rather than me paying for it and keeping it to myself.

Here's something I need to add above for those still interested. Now because there are chips of the color you want, and were buying of them, we had to win more to acquire all of them. This is where many people leave because they have acquired all their chips. Follow me? For a nice total of chips to win.

Impossible you think? think again. One step of our system is to add a chip on a hot number that wins and some won with 4, 5, even 6 chips on them that pays chips and when the roulette became stable and we were winning out of 10 spins, making this chips climb was done over and over and over again.

We even did it in Atlantic City. Anyway, enough talking with Mr. Negative here, is there anyone curious about this yes or no? Thank you, Merlin Jan 15th, , PM 25 OptionBase1 View Profile View Forum Posts PowerPoster Join Date Nov Posts 3, Re: Untested 34 year old roulette system need help programming and testing it Originally Posted by Merlinworld Because not only I can get it for free but also because the programmer who will help me will also become rich from it rather than me paying for it and keeping it to myself.

Maybe toss a couple of bricks of Benji's out there and you'll get some bites? need help programming and testing it The system obviously doesn't work, but the program itself could fetch a pretty penny if marketed to a gullible audience.

Capture Jan 15th, , PM 27 OptionBase1 View Profile View Forum Posts PowerPoster Join Date Nov Posts 3, Re: Untested 34 year old roulette system Also, obviously the person who writes the program would also have the program, since they are the one writing it. So, you can't just "keep it to yourself".

In fact, what if the person who writes it just keeps it for themselves and never gives it to you? Oh man, I bet you'd be steamed! Jan 15th, , PM 28 Merlinworld View Profile View Forum Posts Thread Starter Lively Member Join Date Jan Posts 66 Re: Untested 34 year old roulette system need help programming and testing it Originally Posted by VanGoghGaming The system obviously doesn't work, but the program itself could fetch a pretty penny if marketed to a gullible audience.

Originally Posted by OptionBase1 In fact, what if the person who writes it just keeps it for themselves and never gives it to you? What a lovely forum you got there. This is getting better and better.

Merlin Jan 15th, , PM 29 OptionBase1 View Profile View Forum Posts PowerPoster Join Date Nov Posts 3, Re: Untested 34 year old roulette system need help programming and testing it Originally Posted by Merlinworld Here's something I need to add above for those still interested. Thank you, Merlin What happens if the casino has more than chips of each denomination?

Does your expected win amount per evening change at all? Jan 15th, , PM 30 Merlinworld View Profile View Forum Posts Thread Starter Lively Member Join Date Jan Posts 66 Re: Untested 34 year old roulette system need help programming and testing it First of all you can always do the same whether they have , or 1, chips.

All I care is this chips climb. I just realized that today. It's not a lot. No wonder we made our 30K every night. Jan 15th, , PM 31 OptionBase1 View Profile View Forum Posts PowerPoster Join Date Nov Posts 3, Re: Untested 34 year old roulette system need help programming and testing it Originally Posted by Merlinworld Wow!

Merlin This is your 33 year old system. I would think by now you should be able to answer any and all questions about your plan.

Jan 16th, , AM 32 ahall View Profile View Forum Posts New Member Join Date Oct Posts 1 Re: Untested 34 year old roulette system need help programming and testing it Hi Merlinworld, It might be worth a try for you to load your vbp project using the new twinBasic development environment.

It's only in beta release at the moment but it really is a very capable development system, and I suspect you would be able to use the free version for what you are trying to achieve. TwinBasic tB runs on current Windows 10 and Windows 11 systems so no need to fight through installing VB6 on a current platform.

Good luck! need help programming and testing it Roulette is still not exciting enough. What I admire most is the cowboy style of the West: two people have something to conflict, each a revolver, loaded with 2 bullets, each fired a shot, who fell down first, and the debt was written off.

Some people specialize in hedging bitcoin, and the two platforms have different prices, buying from this platform and selling from another platform.

Using software to automate purchases, I have made similar tools before. Like wholesale fruit, which is sold further afield, commercial operations are more promising than gambling.

Jan 16th, , AM 34 Shaggy Hiker View Profile View Forum Posts Super Moderator Join Date Aug Location Idaho Posts 38, Re: Untested 34 year old roulette system need help programming and testing it People are responding in a pretty skeptical way, and there's a reason for that.

Roulette has been around for centuries. People have been figuring out schemes to beat it for centuries. Just look at D'Alembert's or the Martingale. D'Alembert was a mathematician from the mids, to give you an idea as to how long people have been pursuing strategies to win at roulette.

And now you're saying you've discovered something that others have missed for centuries. It IS possible, but it is NOT likely. Far more likely is that you've stumbled onto a false pattern arising from a form of what is called "data dredging".

If so, it will simply evaporate. For example, a couple decades back, I wrote a multivariate, polynomial regression engine. You took a pattern that you wanted to be able to predict, then came up with the variables that you thought were driving that pattern or at least had a significant hand in it , and the engine would find the relationship in the form of an equation where you could plug in the values for the variables and it would spit out the projected result.

In my case, I was looking at salmon migration, but the obvious use for something like that is obvious: The greatest casino in all of history, the stock market. You may remember stories about the "quants" from the early s up until There were lots of articles written about them.

A whole series of people had written programs that were similar to what I had written, and were using them to make stock picks. They were significantly outperforming any other system, at the time, and there was a lot of angst about that in the press.

Would this destroy the market? Had they found some magic sauce based on advanced computer programs? And then the market crashed in The quants got clobbered. The market rebounded strongly a year later and the quants still got clobbered.

They are still around, but they significantly underperformed for many years, and aren't getting much press anymore. I knew that was coming. I had studied my engine enough to know how and why it would fail.

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